My pal Dennis Howlett wrote this piece on diginomica http://diginomica.com/2013/07/20/weekend-speculation-sap-ibm-accenture-2015/ where he speculates about the future of these three companies . Having worked many years at IBM , having competed with ACN all my life as a consultant and now working at SAP – my view is (surprisingly eh?) slightly different to Den’s . I am not saying Den is wrong , just that I have some different opinions. And in some cases, I agree with Den. As always – this strictly my personal opinion, and not my employer’s opinion .
Let me start with IBM . It is a company I admire a lot as most of you know. When other companies think of long term as 5 to 10 years , IBM invests billions every year in research that may not pay for 20 to 50 years . And that doesn’t change even when a given quarter is not doing well .
IBM is 100% ruthlessly capitalist – maximizing share holder value is key and there is little tolerance for not keeping a promise made to shareholders . They are also a highly ethical company – not even a remote case of unethical behavior gets tolerated there . If you think of IBM as an American company , there is some cause of concern on shrinking local workforce etc . However , if you think of IBM as a global company – it is not all that bad .
IBM misses its bets like every one else – but wins more than competitors on long term bets . They systematically got out of HW business before any one else realized what lay ahead. I have heard stories that they also passed on buying intel and Cisco when they were small companies . So yes – good and bad decisions . But there is no denying their ability to see farther than most . I do expect IBM to get rid of more HW business in near term . Not many people know that IBM does R&D for lots of semiconductor companies even if they are not a big semi player themselves . Smart bets I say .
What about services ? Lou G saw services as the next frontier and invested in it . Sam P and Ginnie R grew the services business into a powerhouse . I know there are public references of bad implementations etc – but having worked there for long , I can assure you there are many more successful projects than failed ones .
Services business is heavily competitive – and margins get thinner all the time . IBM has a partner model (like ACN ) which they inherited from PWC acquisition – although partners are just regular VPs , not real partners . This means there is a partner (or several ) at each customer holding and developing that relationships and selling and delivering work there . And then there is an over lay of service lines for each area like SAP, custom development etc . And then there are checkers and double checkers to make sure finance and legal and HR and so on are taken care of. So the over head is significant for maintaining that big organization . Even with periodic restructuring , it is a big cost . And since IBM is all about EPS growth financially – this will be a constant headache .
So I do expect IBM to make a lot of structural changes in services business to make it leaner , especially at higher levels . And since they already have shown that they are not averse to selling off businesses that have limited upside in future – on a stretch, I can imagine IBM even selling off a part of that business to an Indian consulting company who has cash, but does not have the ability to accelerate up the value chain organically . Of course that is an extreme stretch – but not impossible in my opinion . But hey, everything is ok when we speculate, right ?
Even while I was working there , IBM was getting into SaaS consulting . I do expect that to pickup – but in over all scheme, without structural changes it won’t align with their EPS targets .
Will they get out of SAP business ? Just like all good sales leaders , IBM leaders also play the opportunistic game well . Believe it or not – even with steady decline , SAP Business suite based work is still highly lucrative – and IBM has the ability to go after a global customer base . There is a bull market somewhere at any point. IBM has a definite opportunity they will capture to promote blue software via consulting . But it is a tricky game – the doomsday of consulting company is when customers suspect bias . When I was an account partner at IBM – I would do what is best for my client , even though I was paid a salary by the SAP practice . So if the SAP market is lucrative , there is no reason for IBM to get out of it any time soon. The only exception of course is if they sell off the non blue consulting practice as a whole . So generally low odds in my opinion.
IBM software is the one to watch . Steve Mills is a one of a kind leader – I have the utmost respect for him and his leadership team . Apart from waking up late to modern in memory computing, that team made very few wrong steps. They try to control the lower levels of the stack effectively – DB, middleware , security, App servers, ETL, Portal etc . Apps is not something they have a strength in . And they are an acquisition machine – probably the best at M&A in the industry . IBM has a big war chest in liquid assets – they can acquire a lot more companies , and I am sure they will do that .
Whichever way I look at it , IBM as a whole ain’t gonna fall flat on its face . It will suffer some transition pains to restructure , and I do expect them to suffer some pain to meet 2015 roadmap for EPS . Maybe one year after 2015 is going to be painful , but that is about all I think is worst case. What also makes me say this is the depth of executive talent on bench .
About Accenture – I know a lot about them too thanks to them being a major player in SAP consulting . At IBM, many of my managers and peers benchmarked only against ACN . They were the ones to beat . They are very similar to IBM services . excellent customer focus , ethics and skills .
They don’t have software and hardware businesses like IBM. They are also a bit top heavy due to the matrix partner model . But they sell services better than almost anyone else – and have good investment in people . Their relationships at C level will see them through any hardship in long term . They invest in cloud consulting and together with some structural changes , they should be ok . Just like with IBM services , it is possible that another company might buy a part (or all) of Accenture . Not being diversified outside services is a risk for them . And they have no reason in my opinion to ever get out of SAP business .
Finally SAP . Den says SAP can reshape SI business . I doubt that seriously. SI’s – other than really small ones – do not depend on SAP for most of their business . And SAP’s culture is collaborative , not dictatorial . Every time SAP comes up with something new , a lot of time , effort and money is spent making sure ecosystem partners are on board quickly . SAP is a software company first – so services are strictly done on a need basis .
Economics and elasticity of software and services are very different – and SAP has been generally better off letting ecosystem deal with most of its services business .
However , there are couple of important points in the post ERP world . Speed required to get value is in weeks now – not in months and years . And SAP technology projects like Hana do not cater well to packaged implementation approaches that worked for ERP.
This is not a waterfall vs Agile problem although that is how popular opinion is formed . Waterfall won’t go away till customers change buying behavior and Agile becomes more predictable in services business. There is also an analyst push on outcome based projects – pay for result and not effort . This is easier said than done – I have first hand seen how many customers show resistance to gain share contracts . And “measure of outcomes” is usually hard to agree up on at contracting time.
The method of sales – especially direct sales – for services is a big eater of margins . For large ERP or maintenance projects , direct sales is unavoidable . But for a Hana project or a SFSF implementation , I doubt the big SIs can make it work inmost cases via direct sales . I expect them to start using a web store for some types of services one day soon . Maybe they use SAP Hana market place , maybe their own . But I do expect sales model of newer solutions to change in very near future – like within 2 years or so. It’s not just web stores – talent sourcing , billing etc all will change for a part of the services business.
Just like cloud vendors make every effort to discredit larger on premises vendors , some smaller SIs and independent consultants also tend to discredit larger SIs . All sizes of SIs have a segment of market they can serve better than others . I am all for a fair mix of independents and big SIs – but it is rather hypocritical to point fingers at each other . For deep tech expertise – a freelancer might be a good bet . But that alone doesn’t make a project successful . So – I expect no big disruption from small SIs and freelancers for majority of Services business . Pie is big enough to share for everyone .
However I do not expect even a third of the global services businesses to move to cloud by 2015 . Real customers are orders of magnitude more conservative than what is reported on social media . Enterprise software consulting business is a marathon or maybe a steeple chase occasionally – I don’t expect it to change to a sprint by 2015.
As world moves to SaaS more and more – the demand for integration will open up a very lucrative SI model . And to add to that will be the big data movement . So this disruption is just a shift of business from one service line to another for SIs . As my ex manager used to tell me – it is all green dollars whether it is ERP or Hana or SFSF or integration .
Ok that was a LOT of typing on a small phone screen . All I wanted to say was that I don’t see any of the SI companies – certainly not IBM and ACN – take a big hit long term , except a few bumps along the way . And for SAP – I have full faith in Vishal , Bill and Jim to match execution with the strategy they have laid out .
Phew …my thumbs hurt with typing – now I need a beer 🙂
8 thoughts on “Future of SAP, IBM and Accenture – I am bullish”
Have you seen the software that Accenture produces? Its rubbish! Pure trash! I have never seen worse coding in my life and I have been developing software since the late 1970s.
On a side note: Accenture has a software division which is like 3,000 strong. Not SAP size, but Workday size. It focus on verticals http://www.accenture.com/us-en/technology/software/Pages/index.aspx
Dennis has a point about the changing external world. No matter how these firms are changing, one thing they have no control over is… changed mindset of their buyers. I have seen firsthand cases of CEOs and CIOs saying no by default to an ACN / IBM organisation because of past experiences, irrespective of their capabilities or offerings. If you have a couple of those in Fortune 500 companies then this will have a ripple effect.
Thanks for the riff Vijay. Fortunately I caveated heavily so can be 95% wrong – and likely will be at least some way towards that.
Here’s the problem I see with your argument: you’re coming at this with a mindset that suggests the world remains the same. I fundamentally do not believe that. And I don’t believe SAP does either – at least in its heart. If wrong then why play the ‘follow me’ cloud game? It doesn’t make sense.
Similarly, and I have had these discussions with SAP – it gets hurt when SIs screw up. Time and again we see this. The new world has zero tolerance for this kind of thing. Unless the big SIs learn from their mistakes then they have no future. Of that I am 100% certain. We already see the smaller SIs running rings around the big boys in multiple deals. Here’s my logic.
I see structural change in the SME world like I would never have believed possible even 5 years ago. It’s a reality today. Who says the large co business is any different? If anything, I see trickle up which is a new phenomenon.
My thoughts for you – sometimes you need to take yourself outside your own experience and ask: does this make sense in the world that is unfolding before me? It’s a hard thing to do and especially so when you’ve enjoyed or been embedded inside a place of success.
Finally – to your point on ethics – and here I admire your loyalty to a past employer who treated you well – have you seen the cases where IBMs practices, whether sanctioned or otherwise – are being exposed as far from ethical? And I don’t just mean in one territory? And…if it is so confident in its position then why all the BS around HANA/BLU?
Responding in reverse – IBM is an established DB company with good engineering and sales skills . SAP has no fear at all of fair competition . In this case Hana is generations ahead of BLU and hence I see no reason to worry about BLU at least in the way it is designed now . At the moment , it is just a messaging battle- with no engineering merit .
I , personally have not seen a single ethics breach go unpunished at IBM . Not one . But it is a large company – I guess there will be exceptions .
Where yours and my opinion differ is that I see a lot more of these companies from inside and you see a lot more from outside . We will never have each Opher’s perspective – and why readers need both sides of the world . If you go through what I wrote – my point was not whether SI models will change or not . It will change – but SAP is not the one to influence it , and neither will the change be of any serious magnitude for 2015 time frame .
About smaller companies running circles around bigger ones – you notice that only because it is an exception . In day to day business that is totally in the inverse . However , I do like smaller companies trying aggressively to win core business from incumbents . It keeps everyone on their toes and customers will benefit .
SAP does get hurt when SIs screw up – no doubt . What you are not considering in your argument is the vast majority of successful projects that benefited SAP and SI both . Yes we can all screw up less – which is why the few bad cases get magnified publicity.
And as always , I appreciate your perspective a lot . I learn a lot from you even when we don’t always agree on everything
@vijay – outside in, inside out – funny how things seem different. At the risk of sounding pedantic – if the established SI model was working in the new generation then I have to ask – why is IBM such a lousy competitor on cloud apps implementations? I can take the proof points offline if you wish.
On screw ups – we just don’t hear about them in the cloud world. Much has been predicted in this regard but I don’t see it – ever. Now – that could be a maturity issue but then the WDAY projects I do see are pretty darned impressive. On which point have you noticed how our mutual Deloitte friend’s facial muscles tense when this comparative topic is brought up??
If you get ht opportunity, check in with Hasso. He’s the original thinker behind how R/3 became a world leader. He knows what it took, the cost etc. He knows that the R/3 of the past is not a repeatable model for the future. ’nuff said. 😉